EF 1.4x teleconverter

[Nige]

Hello,

I am thinking about purchasing a 1.4x teleconverter to put on my 70-200mm F2.8 IS. While I cant justify buying the 100-400mm, I can justify buying the teleconverter. I am just wondering how the images quality suffers from the use of the 1.4x teleconverter.

I am planning on using this on two bodies, 40D and 5D Mk II. Is anyone using this combination? Are you happy with the results?

Cheers
-Nigel

[Bercy]

Dear Nige,

I have a Kenko 1.4 that I use on a 40D with a 70-200 F4L lens, aswell as changing the range of my 28-105. I was trying to get some football shots. It actually worked reasonably well, but the ISO had to be cranked up, to keep the shutter speed fast enough. Tripod mandatory - as the lenses I have are not IS. With the 2.8 there will be greater flexibility I guess. I think it is a great accessory, despite the fall off in light. Its a matter of working around that and accepting the minor limitations. On a bright day - the impact is negligible. It is a much easier changing the range of a few selected lenses without resorting to a shopping trolley to bring all the lenses you might otherwise need.

Others may have been physics knowledge to explained the benefits and limitations!

[etherial]

I can't be of much help but I do have that exact combo and have used it on my 7D. I have only taken a few silly shots with it and found it fine, haven't done any pixel peeping though. So treat this as "yes it works and the results aren't a disaster!"

edit: Re the light fall off, they say you loose 1 stop, so your f2.8 would become a f4 so yes you will have to bump your ISO or settle for a slower shutter.

[soulman]

I have a 5D2 and a 70-200 f4 IS. I used to have a 40D. I find the 1.4 TC fairly disappointing and use it only when I have no choice. It's just not very sharp. The 70-200 is extremely sharp normally, but degrades significantly with the TC - it makes it look like a cheap lens. I'm told that the 100-400 is significantly better than a 70-200 with TC.

[linden]

I think its a good idea and you should do it

[peterking]

Hey Nigel.
Got a 7D, 70-200 2.8 (non IS) plus the 1.4 TC and have no regrets at all. The change from 2.8 to 4 makes no difference to me as mostly I'm outdoors in full sun.
My suggestion is that if the funds are there then do it. You can always take the TC off if you want but I rarely do now.

[ameerat42]

Hey Nigel. I dunno that the poll contains enough options, as the answer would be both Y and N, depending on quality of the converter. I'd go ahead and get one, though I think going from f=200mm to f=280 mm on your zoom is just not worth it. I'd go for a full 2x converter. IMO the 1.4X converters are more of use for shorter focal lengths. Actually, on 2nd thoughts, I really don't know what a 1.4X converter is more useful for.
Am.
PS via an Edit: At least the 2X would give you the full f=400mm at the long end of the zoom lens, which you seemed to hint at.

[41jas]

I have heard the 2x converter isn't as good as the 1.4x converter. Has anyone else found this. In sharpness I think?

[Wobbles]

Hi Nigel,
I have both the 70-200 2.8IS and the 1.4xii and have used the combo with no noticeable degradation in image quality. There is an unavoidable loss of 1 f/stop, although if comparing to the 100-400 you are still better off over the equivalent focal lengths.

The 2x TC is not recommended for any of the zooms and will produce 'significant' reduction in image quality.

Cheers
John

[mikspics]

I have heard the 2x converter isn't as good as the 1.4x converter. Has anyone else found this. In sharpness I think?
kind of depends which lens it sits behind julie, the 40d 70-200 2.8 and 1.4 x tele from canon is a great combination for extra reach, and if you include the crop factor of 1.6 you get nearly 400 anyway.....?

[41jas]

kind of depends which lens it sits behind julie, the 40d 70-200 2.8 and 1.4 x tele from canon is a great combination for extra reach, and if you include the crop factor of 1.6 you get nearly 400 anyway.....?

Thanks for that mikspics. Always good to know.

[enduro]

I've got the Canon x1.4 MkII and use it on a few of my lenses have have found it superbly sharp and very useful. Would love it to be full time AF on my 7D though.

Shooting at 900mm on MF, I don't expect every image to be perfectly sharp but it does make the sport more interesting and produces some excellent results.

[nwoody]

i have a 2x tele dont get it they suck on the 70-200 they were designed for the 300 and 400 mm lens trust me you will hate it

[Nige]

Thanks Guys.

I wasn't considering the 2x due to the quality loss. I was was wondering about the effect of the IQ using it. It might be the 'go out and try' sort of item. The 70-200mm is tack sharp the longer focal length lens's are just out of the question. If I where to by the the 100-400mm it would be used maybe once or twice and then sit on the shelf for a very long time.

I am trying to increase my focal length on the cheap.
Thanks for the replies thus far.

[Xenedis]

Hey Nige.

I own both the 1.4x TC and 2x TC, but admittedly I use neither on my 70-200/2.8. I have a 300/2.8, so I have the focal lengths with that, and it's a lens that produces stellar results with either TC.

I'd expect the 1.4x TC to produce good results on a 70-200/2.8.

[pmack]

I've got the Canon x1.4 MkII and use it on a few of my lenses have have found it superbly sharp and very useful. Would love it to be full time AF on my 7D though.

Shooting at 900mm on MF, I don't expect every image to be perfectly sharp but it does make the sport more interesting and produces some excellent results.

as long as the aperture is 5.6, you should still retain your autofocus on the 7D right?
i.e it would still work on a 70-200 f/4?

[unistudent1962]

I have a 70-200 f4L IS and would like more reach.
Has anyone had experience with this lens and the Canon 1.4x Teleconverter.
I know it'll drop a full stop, making it f5.6.
It's my understanding that autofocus will still work, but will obviously be a bit slower.
The main use will be for sport, namely Soccer and Athletics, both of which will usually be in full sunlight.
My main concern is with Image Quality.
If anyone has images taken with this combination I'd love to see them.

A 300 or 400 Prime is beyond my finances for the foreseeable future!!

[pmack]

I have a 70-200 f4L IS and would like more reach.
Has anyone had experience with this lens and the Canon 1.4x Teleconverter.
I know it'll drop a full stop, making it f5.6.
It's my understanding that autofocus will still work, but will obviously be a bit slower.
The main use will be for sport, namely Soccer and Athletics, both of which will usually be in full sunlight.
My main concern is with Image Quality.
If anyone has images taken with this combination I'd love to see them.

A 300 or 400 Prime is beyond my finances for the foreseeable future!!
seeing as the 70-200L f/4 IS is regarded as one of canons sharpest lenses (even sharper than the 2.8), i would not be at all concerened about loss in quality. f/5.6 @ 280mm is not all that slow, though f/5.6 @ 98mm, not the best, though you shouldn't use the converter if you are shooting at under 200mm effective focal length anyway.

[unistudent1962]

Thanks pmack,

I'd only be using it with the extender at the long end of the range for the extra reach.

[Bercy]

I have used the Kenko 1.4 TC with my Canon 70-200L F4 (Non IS). Sorry I can't go home from work to get some photos! However, it was a bit tricky for sport. If it is bright sunshine its fine, but if there is significant light drop off from cloud cover or perhap indoor work then you get can get caught with unsatisfactory results. For sport, a fast shutter speed is pre-requisite. It has to be at least the inverse of the focal length, likely best at 1/500 to 1/1000. The aperture drops out to about 5.6. If that does not let in enough light, then you have to up the ISO. In any direction something has to be compromised. Going to a 2.8 lens would give a substantial advantage of course, but there are relationships between fast/quality/cost. I have managed some shots, but a lot of duds as well.

[Scotty72]

Last week, I bought the Canon 70-200 2.8 IS II / Canon 1.4 TC combo.

It is fantastic. Yes, you lose a stop but I can't fault the IQ.

Here are a few shots I have taken with the two together.

Scotty

#1 - @98mm (including 1.4 magnification) (lens set to 70mm)
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww193/sratcliff/2010/14x%20TC%20egs/_MG_8004.jpg

#2 @280mm (lens set to 200mm)
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww193/sratcliff/2010/14x%20TC%20egs/_MG_7980.jpg

#3 @280 (200mm)
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww193/sratcliff/2010/14x%20TC%20egs/_MG_7730.jpg

#4 @280mm (200mm)
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww193/sratcliff/2010/14x%20TC%20egs/_MG_7654.jpg

[fabian628]

i dont own the particular lens you specified. I did try the 1.4x TC II on a 70-200mm f/2.8 II in the shop and the IQ seemed quite good. I have used the 1.4TC on 300mm f/2.8 and 135mm f/2.0 with good results, but with this good quality glass it is generally known the TC does not bring quality down much. With lesser glass the loss will be more noticable, but I think for the cost and versatility the teleconverter is a good deal.

[unistudent1962]

Scotty72 WOW!!!!!
I'm impressed with the image quality, and the reach.

If other reports on this thread are accurate I should expect similar results with my f4L.

Can you have a look at the metadata and tell me what apertures these pics were taken at?

Thanks

[Scotty72]

Scotty72 WOW!!!!!
I'm impressed with the image quality, and the reach.

If other reports on this thread are accurate I should expect similar results with my f4L.

Can you have a look at the metadata and tell me what apertures these pics were taken at?

Thanks

Will do when I get home. But, the exif data is there if you right click.


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[Scotty72]

#1 Eureka tower f5.6 @ 1/4000

#2 Cricket f4.0 (maximum with the TC on) @ 1/800

#3 Surfer f9 @1/1250

#4 Rocks f20 @ 1/400

[Bilgola]

Hi All, I'm jumping in late here and this is a question rather than suggestion or opinion. I have a EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM (using it with 7d and 400d) and wonder how that would perform with the 1.4. I've never used an extender before, I really like the idea of getting a little more reach on what is pretty much my
workhorse lens. Thanks, Mike

[Xenedis]

I have a EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM (using it with 7d and 400d) and wonder how that would perform with the 1.4.

It won't perform at all; it is not compatible with that lens.

The two cannot be physically attached.

[Scotty72]

It won't perform at all; it is not compatible with that lens.

The two cannot be physically attached.


True that! :)

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[commking]

Think about waiting for the new MkIII TC's coming out around January - supposed to be a big improvement in sharpness over the current MkII models.

Otherwise, there should be a few MkII's being sold second hand just after..

[Nikolas]

I have heard the 2x converter isn't as good as the 1.4x converter. Has anyone else found this. In sharpness I think?

Oh I don't know about that ;)
kenko 2x teleconverter, sigma 120-300mm f2.8 and canon 5dmark 2
http://nickaxrs.customer.netspace.net.au/Superbikes%202010/IMG_7712.jpg

[Tannin]

The performance of the Canon teleconverters is well-known, and uncontroversial.

Given a suitable lens, they have excellent image quality. Sharpness is not in question. The only things you must consider are the things that apply to ALL teleconverters: (1) loss of light - 1 stop in this case, (2) loss of contrast (mild for the 1.4, more noticable with a 2.0), (3) slow focus (significant for a 1.4, very, very significant with a 2.0), and (4) less pleasant bokeh (very subtle with the 1.4, and still not obvious even with a 2.0, but there just the same). These four factors are things you just have to accept if you want a teleconverter. These are things that all converters do, even the best ones.

Summary: yes, worth having, but don't expect miracles.

[Roosta]

Hi Nigel, I use my Kenko 1.4 with my 70-200 F2.8, it's a great combo, as Scotty72 has mentioned and shown, out to 280mm i believe if me calculations are correct.

Have you got it yet, and what have you found ???