Best kit lens upgrade option?

[Timmy]

So as the title says im currently looking into upgrading my kit lens. Read a lot of reviews and done a lot of research, so thought i would ask on here for some opinions also.

OK i have a Canon 450D with 18-55 IS, 55-250 IS and a 50mm 1.8. Im looking to upgrade the 18-55 IS to something better. Its the lens i use the most and atm im not happy with it tbh. I want something that is better image quality wise. I mainly enjoy landscape, automotive, long exposure and just general everyday photography. So need something that will handle those things better than my current lens, and as i use filters cant have a rotating front element. Budget can be streteched if necessary but dont wanna spend much more than $600 is possible. Buying second hand im ok with i suppose, unless im stupid thinking about grabbing someones seconds?

Main candidates im currently looking at are the Tamron 17-50 f2.8 (non VC) and the Canon 17-40L f4 (would have to be second hand). Any other suggestions? Have read into the Sigma 18-50 but most seem to think its not as good as the Tamron. And the Sigma 17-70 i have sorta ruled out as it doesnt have a permanent minimum aperture, its 2.8 - 4.5. And the Canon 17-85 seems to be not a lot better than the standard kits lens. The Canon 15-85 is too expensive new and have not seen one FS second hand. Plus again, not sure if its a difference over the prices of the other lenses i mentioned?

Tamron is cheaper even than the Canon even second hand. Neither have a form of image stabilisation but that doesnt concern me. Like the Tamron as its a quicker lens, but it doenst have FTM and have read its noisy. Like the Canon for its fantastic build quality and great IQ, but it is slower accross its shorter range and i cant afford it new.

Opinions on either of those i have suggested? Even if you haven't used either would love to know. Also anything else i should consider?

Any help would be fantastic

Cheers
Timmy

[Pine]

You should consider a Canon 15-85 as as well as its a great sharp lens.:)

[ricktas]

The Sigma 24-70 f2.8 is a really good lens (if 24 is wide enough for your needs), my 24-70 is the sharpest lens I own.

[oldfart]

When I was using a 400D I upgraded first to 17-85mm which I was pleased with at the time, until I bought Canon 24-70mm. Then I knew why L Glass was worth the money.

Buy it once, is the best advice I've been given.

[dsaini]

Tamron 17-50mm f2.8

[TimCz]

I have the 17-40 and couldnt be more happy with it. Very sharp across the range with only minimal reduction in the corners.

[jibbonpoint]

I wonder if I may "piggyback" on your thread here, Timmy? I too need to upgrade to something faster than the 18-55 f3.5 kit for the Pentax K10D that also has 1:1 macro for work (non-photographic;engineering parts). I have a Sigma 10-20 f4 so that focal length is covered. The sigma 24 - 70 would be OK that Ricktas mentioned. I'll check it out. Thanks

[jibbonpoint]

The above 24 - 70 Sigma lens with Macro that Ricktas mentioned is $707 at Digital Camera Warehouse. It's macro is 1:3.8. That'll do me, I think. (I didn't really expect 1:1 in a zoom)

For some reason I ciuldn't add this as an edit in my above post.

[ricktas]

The above 24 - 70 Sigma lens with Macro that Ricktas mentioned is $707 at Digital Camera Warehouse. It's macro is 1:3.8. That'll do me, I think. (I didn't really expect 1:1 in a zoom)

For some reason I ciuldn't add this as an edit in my above post.

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[Timmy]

Have changed my mind almost daily so far lol

Leaning towards the 17-40mm atm, given its build quality, image quality, and if i do something i like to do it right the first time. Its not a lens i see getting and then upgrading from at a later stage, where as the Tamron i see me wanting better at a later stage

[quoccy]

spend abit more and get the 17-55 IS, there was one forsale for around $1,000 second hand I think

[wideangle]

Consider the Canon 17-40mm L lens as this will give you similar focal length to the kit lens, but a more rugged build and L lens quality. Also if you ever go full frame then this lens will become wide angle on it.

[beaco]

not sure if you are still looking. Tamron now makes a 17-50 with vc (stablisation). Most reviews seem positive and it's cheaper than the canon. Main drawback seems to be noisier focus motor and slightly slower focusing. Also vc take a second to kick in. I think I'm going to get one rather than canon 17-55 2.8 and save some money.

If you did buy something - what did you get?