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nardes
25-03-2016, 7:07am
The Google Nik collection of Plug-Ins looks like it’s now available free for download.

https://www.google.com/nikcollection/

Cheers

Dennis

NikonNellie
25-03-2016, 9:48am
You beat me to it Dennis. I was just about to post the same message. :D

nardes
25-03-2016, 10:31am
You beat me to it Dennis. I was just about to post the same message. :D

No worries Narelle, it’s good to see the community looking after each other and sharing the good stuff.:)

Cheers

Dennis

Hamster
25-03-2016, 10:47am
Sorry, I'm out in the sticks right now so can't get that link to load. Is this a short term offer?

nardes
25-03-2016, 12:54pm
Sorry, I'm out in the sticks right now so can't get that link to load. Is this a short term offer?

What I have posted above is pretty much all there is on the website, but reading between the lines, I would be surprised if the offer ended soon.:confused013

Cheers

Dennis

Gonk0
25-03-2016, 1:07pm
Sorry, I'm out in the sticks right now so can't get that link to load. Is this a short term offer?

From what I can tell it will remain free.


What I have posted above is pretty much all there is on the website, but reading between the lines, I would be surprised if the offer ended soon.:confused013

Cheers

Dennis

It will remain free by the looks of it.

I'm also grabbing it I have used trials in the past and it did look good.

Hamster
25-03-2016, 2:57pm
So is there a new version coming and they're giving the old one away to try and get people hooked?

Brendo09
25-03-2016, 3:30pm
I think it means further development of the Nik series is over. What you get is all you'll have.

They'll put the tech into something new and flog that.

But I could be just a cynical bloke. :)

John King
25-03-2016, 4:17pm
Be warned folks. For those with bandwidth limits, the download is somewhere over 230 MB.

I @ M
25-03-2016, 6:26pm
I think it means further development of the Nik series is over. What you get is all you'll have.

They'll put the tech into something new and flog that.

But I could be just a cynical bloke. :)

I think that your cynicism is actually spot on Brendo.

Google took over Nik quite a while ago and gave away the Special Efex software soon after.
To their credit though, recently I installed my editing software on a new pc and could not find the authentication code for the version of the Nik filters that I have but an email to google got a response within days with an activation code despite me buying the filter set before google took over the show.

The U Point tech within the Nik software is extremely good ( does away with layers and associated stuff from a$obe ) and I think that we may see an editing package from google to rival l/room / ps as google are on a mission to be the biggest and best at everything.

arthurking83
26-03-2016, 4:25am
From what I can tell it will remain free ......

If you take this section of the site into consideration:


If you purchased the Nik Collection in 2016, you will receive a full refund, which we’ll automatically issue back to you in the coming days.

I think Gonk0's comment must be 101% accurate.
It would make for a very complicated process to make it a free trial for a defined period AND issue refunds to folks that only recently purchased it.
Considering the refund comment, one could only come to the conclusion that it's now free to use forever.

My thoughts and sympathies go out to those that purchased in on Dec 31st last year tho! :p

Tannin
26-03-2016, 9:12am
Sad. Nik was an excellent product. It's such a shame that they are not doing anything with it. If you are only going to shut down development, why buy it?

(I discount suggestions that they plan to produce a Photoshop or Lightrom rival. That would be a huge task with a vast amount of detail work in it and Google don't generally go in for that sort of thing - they don't mind big and expensive but they like it quick and simple. In any case, a "Googleshop" product would no doubt come with terms, conditions and features such that no-one not already chained down naked in a brightly lit cell with 360 degree 24-hour surveillance coverage running would find intrusive.)

I had once looked forward to much-needed improvements to the Nik suite. It works brilliantly when it works, but it is buggy and can be very slow. (Not that anything on Photoslug is terribly fast.) These are never going to happen now. Sad.

Dug
26-03-2016, 10:02am
I think it is being made free for PC for the same reason Windows 10 is now free.

It is to make the product part of your world and entice you to expand that usage into your mobile experience.

It follows Apples model that if you use their devices for home and about their is an advantage in familiarity and streamlining processes.

Constant update support for NIK's free PC version is doubtful, but I'm guessing there may be some that keeps it in step with the mobile editing development.
Alternatively updates for the mobile version could come bundled with PC vers updates.

ameerat42
26-03-2016, 10:24am
I think it is being made free for PC for the same reason Windows 10 is now free...

"now" ends in July 2016.

I @ M
26-03-2016, 10:32am
It works brilliantly when it works, but it is buggy and can be very slow. (Not that anything on Photoslug is terribly fast.) These are never going to happen now. Sad.

Nik in association with Nikon developed Capture NX ( in all versions ) and then Nik sold the filter set as a plug in for CNX. In all the time that I have had the filters installed there has never been a single issue with them as far as bugs or slowness.
I think that you will find that when it is mated to A$obe products that the issues come to notice. I feel that as A$obe updated PS and LR they either didn't allow compatibility totally with the Nik product or conversely Nik didn't tweak their software to work with the newer versions of A$obe products.

Dug
26-03-2016, 12:03pm
"now" ends in July 2016.

Good point.

I have a feeling though that hard dead line to create some sense of urgency will in some way become a soft dead line close to the time. :)

Too many Win 7 users with a perfectly functional OS for their needs thinking, why not just ride out the 2020 Win7 service support.

Kym
26-03-2016, 12:28pm
Scott Kelby on how some are P*ssed off http://scottkelby.com/google-awesomely-makes-nik-collection-plug-ins-totally-free-everybodys-pisd/

Dug
26-03-2016, 2:19pm
Can anyone tell me if my version 2 of Silver Efex pro will be effected by installing this?
Asking because the free download is not indicated to be version 2 of either Silver Efex or Viveza for instance.

I have opted out of the install so far because it appeared to be a bundle only install not selective components.

I would still install if anyone can confirm that Silver Efex pro 2 will live happily along side a version 1 of the same plug in.

PS- for Window compatibility it says:

Windows:

Windows Vista®, Windows 7, Windows 8
Adobe Photoshop CS4 through CC 2015
Adobe Photoshop Elements 9 through 13 (apart from HDR Efex Pro 2, which is not compatible with Photoshop Elements)
Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 3 through 6/CC


Anyone tried it on Windows 10?

mongo
26-03-2016, 4:58pm
Have now tried the google package on Imac using CS5. A very disappointed (but half expected) mixed bag of results. The only feature that works directly is Silver Efex Pro 2. All other features just return the message "could not complete command because there is a problem with the filter module interface".

Some bizarre results:-
Trying the HDR feature in photoshop just causes photoshop to close down unexpectedly. However, using this feature through "automate" will allow you to use it for multi frame images but not for a single image.;

Trying to access these features through Bridge allows access to about 4 of the them but not the others.

Mongo has added the Google folder containing these features to the "plug-ins' folder in Photoshop preferences. They all appear there.

It all seems close but at the same time out of reach and not worth the trouble to spend hours trying to get the features to work (in Mongo's case in any event).

Some on overseas site have reported that all works even on CS6.......so what's going on with Mongo's set up ???

nardes
26-03-2016, 9:51pm
Can anyone tell me if my version 2 of Silver Efex pro will be effected by installing this?
Asking because the free download is not indicated to be version 2 of either Silver Efex or Viveza for instance.

I have opted out of the install so far because it appeared to be a bundle only install not selective components.

I would still install if anyone can confirm that Silver Efex pro 2 will live happily along side a version 1 of the same plug in.

PS- for Window compatibility it says:

Windows:

Windows Vista®, Windows 7, Windows 8
Adobe Photoshop CS4 through CC 2015
Adobe Photoshop Elements 9 through 13 (apart from HDR Efex Pro 2, which is not compatible with Photoshop Elements)
Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 3 through 6/CC


Anyone tried it on Windows 10?

I cannot comment on Silver Efex 1 & 2 but it looks like I have Analog Efex 1 & 2 co-existing.

I’m on CS6 and Win 7 Pro.

Cheers

Dennis

Dug
26-03-2016, 11:17pm
I cannot comment on Silver Efex 1 & 2 but it looks like I have Analog Efex 1 & 2 co-existing.

I’m on CS6 and Win 7 Pro.

Cheers

Dennis

Thanks for the heads up.

I was going by how the softwares where labeled on the linked to download page.
They did not give version numbers.

Having now done the install it appears the plug ins are all the latest versions so I can probably uninstall my original Silver Efex 2 now since it is in a different install directory.


Also confusing on the linked to download page is this :

More affordable than ever
You don’t have to choose between plug-ins -- now you get the full set for one low price. You can take the whole collection for a spin with a 15-day free trial.

There must be a better place to download the plugins that explains it in a more relevant up to date way.

Windows 10 installs don't appear to be an issue either.

Mary Anne
26-03-2016, 11:54pm
I tried a few out this morning sorry cannot remember which ones now, they worked ok with my CS6 on Win 7 64 bit.

feathers
27-03-2016, 12:22am
I tried a few out this morning sorry cannot remember which ones now, they worked ok with my CS6 on Win 7 64 bit.

That's what l have. Will havalook.:) Cheers.

arthurking83
27-03-2016, 5:10am
To further Tannin's comment re Google making a PS killer program ... it should be remembered that this Nik collection is a plugin for PS(or LR).
That is, Google are making PS and/or LR better with this product!
Why would they make such a product(Nik collection)free and then attempt to create a competing product(whatever new software) for the product(Adobe's) they just made better!

I haven't installed LR again with Win10, and as I don't have PS .. a plugin for those Adobe products don't really suit my purposes.

BUT!!!

You can run these (so called) plugins on their own, even if you don't have the required Adobe software installed.
All the Nik software is actually standalone software, it's just made so that it's linked to a plugin link via the respective Adobe software.
And you can run the Nik software without needing the Adobe software installed(or if you just simply wish to do so without the need for the Adobe software).

You need to locate the executable files for each respective Nik program.
To find the .exe, for example on a Windows 64bit system, it's most likely installed to C drive, Program files(not program files (x86)!), Google, Nik Collection, and from there under each respective directory appropriately named.

A few notes: you may find a Google directory in your Program Files (x86) folder too. That is almost certainly installed by Google because of Chrome trying to infest your PC in some way.
Mine exists because I actually use my Google Drive allocation .. I've lost count of how many times I've explicitly told Chrome to 'go away'. Not in that folder. If you have an x86 (32bit) PC .. that's be a very old or cheap system by the way!) .. then you won't have a Program Files (x86) folder .. it'd still be located in a folder called Program Files.

Anyhow, once you find those executable files(don't open them!! .. they will almost certainly be useless on their own like that).

What you need to do, is one of a couple of things(or both if you prefer).

1. to use the programs without the assistance of any other program, that it truly standalone .. easiest way to use them is to locate each exe file and right click it and send to .. desktop!!
Now you have a shortcut to the program on your desktop.
If having all those shortcuts on your desktop is cumbersome, you could create folder on the desktop and move them all to there.
But to get this to work, you just drag an image to the shortcut, and the respective program will then open with that image loaded.
You can't(or at least I can't) open the program and then load an image into it.

Note that it only really works (for me) on TIFFs and JPGS, I don't have any Adobe file types to try it on.
To exit the program you need to cancel or save the file. Note that saving the file always overwrites the original file you opened it with. If this is important to you then make sure you open the program with a duplicate file!!

2. Another way you can get these 'plugins' to operate is to link them to any software that has a 'Open With' routine.
The two that come to mind for me .. are ViewNX2(and CaptureNX-D) and Fast Stone Viewer(FSV).
Locate the option to add the executables to the software you prefer to work with and add it to the Open With dialogue option.

Works well with ViewNX2, that I initially tried(haven't yet tried FSV).
Another note for VNX2 users ... and I use VNX2 as an example as it's editing ability is pretty hopeless!! These Nik apps now help out enourmously tho! :th3:
The gotcha with ViewNX2 is that you NEED to convert any raw file you want to edit before you load it into any of those Nik apps.
This is primarily because the Nik software doesn't really recognise raw files, and also because when they save, they save to the original file that they were opened with.
There is a chance(although I think unlikely) they could corrupt your raw file .. as they don't recognise them!!.
What will most likely happen is that if you accidentally open a raw file in any of those Nik apps, and then save, it will simply throw an error saying can't save raw file type or something.

Also, you may think if you can open a raw file with the Nik software ... why .. !!!!
Even tho I opened an NEF file in one of those programs, the truth is that ViewNX2 didn't actually send it a proper NEF file, it created a temporary tiff file and the Nik program tried to save it as a NEF.

Just use tiff if you want high quality final edits! :th3:

Anyhow, it all works.
The dragging of images to the Nik shortcuts is a bit tedious, but does work .. is handy, just tedious.
Easier to get to them via another image viewing program, most of which will have an Open with option.
Unless you need Nikon's ViewNX2, I'd recommend FSViewer.

hope that helps.

ricktas
27-03-2016, 6:52am
My Random thoughts;

1) Great move Google. Giving the Nik Collection away for free. I have used it for years. However, I reckon the directors etc of OnOne and more are thinking 'shit'. Everyone (well not quite everyone) jumps on the free bandwagon and suddenly all the other companies producing similar plugins are seeing sales of their products decimated. Oh and then in a few months time we hear Google acquires those companies at a 'firesale' price. Call me a cynic, but Google doesn't do anything without thoughts to the future.

2) Great move Google. Downloaded it now, last time I paid for a version was about 18 months ago.

3) Great move Google. Considering your snapseed App for mobile devices is built on the Nik Software engine, and mobile platform and 'Apps' seem to be the way forward, I have a sneaking suspicion that Snapseed will evolve as an App for desktops as well, and you will charge for it. Or (more likely) we will see desktop devices slowly disappear and 'mobile' devices will become the norm. Desktop devices will go the way of Kodak Film. Considering on the Android platform you have over 10,000,000 downloads. I cannot see how many on Apple Store. It would be interesting to know how many downloaded the desktop version in comparison. Wait for Snapseed Pro to appear in an (online) store near you, one day soon.

4) Great move Google. I am off to play with my new free toy...for now.

5) If you have not used snapseed on a mobile device : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.niksoftware.snapseed&hl=en and : https://itunes.apple.com/EN/app/snapseed/id439438619?mt=8

antony
27-03-2016, 11:24am
I've been using onOne products since version 5, and been happily paying for upgrades on (almost) yearly basis. I hope Google's free move does not kill competitors.

Tannin
27-03-2016, 3:49pm
we will see desktop devices slowly disappear and 'mobile' devices will become the norm. Desktop devices will go the way of Kodak Film.

Not a chance. No-one who does actual work on a computer uses a phone or a tablet unless there is no choice at all. Real work needs a real screen and a real keyboard and a real pointing device. Not to mention proper storage and spare CPU cycles, though these last two are (at least in theory, if not in practice) possible to do on mobile. Screen and input devices are not.

Mobile devices make good telephones and excellent entertainment toys. They are very poor second-best choices for doing work on though, and always will be. It is not possible to make, for example, a proper keyboard smaller than about half a metre wide.

- - - Updated - - -

Sure, I&M, it's all Adobe's fault. You'll never see me argue with that. But the point is that Photoslug is the only, repeat only way to use the Nik software unless you are one of the minority of photographers who happen to use Nikon. Canon, Pentax, Sony, and all other users are locked out. You can't buy it. (I know this because I have tried.)

Photoslug on its own is unpleasant but bearable and seldom crashes. Photoslug plus one Nik layer is more unpleasant and distinctly unreliable. Photoslug with two or more Nik layers is so bug-ridden and horrible I'd rather go swimming at Werribee. Compare with the various other Photoslug plugins I own - none of them cause problems. Only Nik.

-------------------------------

Edit: I just read Arthur's remarks. Ta mate, I'll have to try that!

ricktas
27-03-2016, 7:59pm
Not a chance. No-one who does actual work on a computer uses a phone or a tablet unless there is no choice at all. Real work needs a real screen and a real keyboard and a real pointing device. Not to mention proper storage and spare CPU cycles, though these last two are (at least in theory, if not in practice) possible to do on mobile. Screen and input devices are not.

Mobile devices make good telephones and excellent entertainment toys. They are very poor second-best choices for doing work on though, and always will be. It is not possible to make, for example, a proper keyboard smaller than about half a metre wide.



Sure, but we are already seeing the migration of 'Apps' to the desktop. I suspect in future we will have to use several to process our images to match what we can do now in one. After all. It is all about the $$. If they can sell us a heap of smaller Apps to do the job and push Apps as the way forward.. we will all be paying. Nothing at all to do with the end user, more to do with corporate greed..

jim
27-03-2016, 8:25pm
To further Tannin's comment re Google making a PS killer program ... it should be remembered that this Nik collection is a plugin for PS(or LR).
That is, Google are making PS and/or LR better with this product!
Why would they make such a product(Nik collection)free and then attempt to create a competing product(whatever new software) for the product(Adobe's) they just made better!

I haven't installed LR again with Win10, and as I don't have PS .. a plugin for those Adobe products don't really suit my purposes.

BUT!!!

You can run these (so called) plugins on their own, even if you don't have the required Adobe software installed.
All the Nik software is actually standalone software, it's just made so that it's linked to a plugin link via the respective Adobe software.
And you can run the Nik software without needing the Adobe software installed(or if you just simply wish to do so without the need for the Adobe software).

You need to locate the executable files for each respective Nik program.
To find the .exe, for example on a Windows 64bit system, it's most likely installed to C drive, Program files(not program files (x86)!), Google, Nik Collection, and from there under each respective directory appropriately named.

A few notes: you may find a Google directory in your Program Files (x86) folder too. That is almost certainly installed by Google because of Chrome trying to infest your PC in some way.
Mine exists because I actually use my Google Drive allocation .. I've lost count of how many times I've explicitly told Chrome to 'go away'. Not in that folder. If you have an x86 (32bit) PC .. that's be a very old or cheap system by the way!) .. then you won't have a Program Files (x86) folder .. it'd still be located in a folder called Program Files.

Anyhow, once you find those executable files(don't open them!! .. they will almost certainly be useless on their own like that).

What you need to do, is one of a couple of things(or both if you prefer).

1. to use the programs without the assistance of any other program, that it truly standalone .. easiest way to use them is to locate each exe file and right click it and send to .. desktop!!
Now you have a shortcut to the program on your desktop.
If having all those shortcuts on your desktop is cumbersome, you could create folder on the desktop and move them all to there.
But to get this to work, you just drag an image to the shortcut, and the respective program will then open with that image loaded.
You can't(or at least I can't) open the program and then load an image into it.

Note that it only really works (for me) on TIFFs and JPGS, I don't have any Adobe file types to try it on.
To exit the program you need to cancel or save the file. Note that saving the file always overwrites the original file you opened it with. If this is important to you then make sure you open the program with a duplicate file!!

2. Another way you can get these 'plugins' to operate is to link them to any software that has a 'Open With' routine.
The two that come to mind for me .. are ViewNX2(and CaptureNX-D) and Fast Stone Viewer(FSV).
Locate the option to add the executables to the software you prefer to work with and add it to the Open With dialogue option.

Works well with ViewNX2, that I initially tried(haven't yet tried FSV).
Another note for VNX2 users ... and I use VNX2 as an example as it's editing ability is pretty hopeless!! These Nik apps now help out enourmously tho! :th3:
The gotcha with ViewNX2 is that you NEED to convert any raw file you want to edit before you load it into any of those Nik apps.
This is primarily because the Nik software doesn't really recognise raw files, and also because when they save, they save to the original file that they were opened with.
There is a chance(although I think unlikely) they could corrupt your raw file .. as they don't recognise them!!.
What will most likely happen is that if you accidentally open a raw file in any of those Nik apps, and then save, it will simply throw an error saying can't save raw file type or something.

Also, you may think if you can open a raw file with the Nik software ... why .. !!!!
Even tho I opened an NEF file in one of those programs, the truth is that ViewNX2 didn't actually send it a proper NEF file, it created a temporary tiff file and the Nik program tried to save it as a NEF.

Just use tiff if you want high quality final edits! :th3:

Anyhow, it all works.
The dragging of images to the Nik shortcuts is a bit tedious, but does work .. is handy, just tedious.
Easier to get to them via another image viewing program, most of which will have an Open with option.
Unless you need Nikon's ViewNX2, I'd recommend FSViewer.

hope that helps.

All my Nik things wound up in their own little folder in Launchpad. And all (except Sharpener, for some reason) work fine if opened from there as standalone applications.

Tannin
27-03-2016, 10:11pm
Sure, but we are already seeing the migration of 'Apps' to the desktop. I suspect in future we will have to use several to process our images to match what we can do now in one. After all. It is all about the $$. If they can sell us a heap of smaller Apps to do the job and push Apps as the way forward.. we will all be paying. Nothing at all to do with the end user, more to do with corporate greed..

Yes indeed. We are seeing a progressive dumbing down of desktop software because of this very process. Exactly the same thing is happening only even more swiftly on websites. Less and less information on-screen already, and less and less power on the desktop as time goes by. And a very similar process seems to be infecting product design in all sorts of areas. So many new manufactured products are cheap, look attractive on first glance, and last about ten minutes before you discover that they are incapable of doing what you bought them to do in the first place. (Just like most apps!) The whole world is dumbing down around us.

Thankfully, some of the great intellectual challenges of our time remain as puzzling as ever, such as (for example) mastery of quantum chromodynamics, the real cause of idiopathic intracranial hypertension, and making Photoshop produce the colours you expected in the first place.

arthurking83
28-03-2016, 4:59am
All my Nik things wound up in their own little folder in Launchpad. And all (except Sharpener, for some reason) work fine if opened from there as standalone applications.

I don't know what "Launchpad" is .. so can't comment on that.
(is that a Windows PC thing?)

The issue with launching the (respective)programs, or apps, or executable directly via the executable is that there is no interface within the apps window to open any file.
So the only way to get a file into the program is to drop the file directly onto the executable or to invoke the executable via any other image program that can call on it to open with a file preloaded.


With the Sharpener program, note that there are two executables for it too.(I should have mentioned that earlier).

One is to open the Pre-Sharpener program, the other is to invoke the Output Sharpener program.
On a Windows system, the Pre-Sharpener program exe is called SHP3RPS(.exe) and the Output Sharpener exe is called SHP3OS(.exe).

jim
28-03-2016, 6:52am
It's a Mac thing. Maybe it's different in Windows but I get a File menu at the top of every standalone app except Sharpener. (Which doesn't bother me as there are better options than either Sharpener or Dfine.) Silver Effix though is invaluable and Viveze also looks useful the few times I think to play with it. Both are perfectly well behaved standalone programs.

Tannin
28-03-2016, 9:22am
Arthur, you could always add the programs to your right-click context menu. Then you could just open a folder full of images, right-click a TIFF, and select "open with Dfine" (or whichever other). See http://www.howtogeek.com/107965/how-to-add-any-application-shortcut-to-windows-explorers-context-menu/ for a bit of a walk through.

arthurking83
28-03-2016, 12:28pm
Adding to context menu sounds interesting.
The only problem with that is, Nikon's viewnx2 doesn't use Windows context menu system. It uses its own.
But if I'm browsing images via Windows explorer, the context menu makes perfect sense too.

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CabanSail
01-04-2016, 3:16pm
I downloaded the package. Wanted to play with Silver Efex as so many people have told me it's the duck's wobbly bits.


They are partly right. It's the wobbly bits. It was fast enough but seems to be a suite of buttons and sliders. I prefer to know what is happening under the bonnet and fiddle there if needed.

I know that I am the one out of step and that's fine. Will continue to use PS until someone releases something that will replace it and be less annoying.

arthurking83
01-04-2016, 5:36pm
So I have the plugins loaded for VNX2 to open then via the toolbar such as this:

http://www.ausphotography.net.au/forum/dbtgallery.php?do=gallery_image&id=3777&gal=gallery&type=full

You can see the easy peasy links in the toolbar up top. Makes the toolbar a bit cluttered if you already have it full, but mine was fairly empty anyhow.

Had a quick ping at Silver Efex on an image just now:
For some reason, when I sent it too Silver Efex, it gave an error when initialy trying to open it .. "unsupported file format" or some weird message like that.
I converted the raw file this image was based on in VNX2 as a jpg(largest size for more working data in the plugin) .. and it doesnt' support jpg format? :confused:
Clicked OK on the message window only to have it thrown up again .. and again. On the fourth click of OK .. it then opened the jpg without any issues! :confused013

anyhow: Silver Efex and the film noir treatment:

http://www.ausphotography.net.au/forum/dbtgallery.php?do=gallery_image&id=3776&gal=gallery&type=full

So the workflow is .. tweak the raw(NEF in this instance) file in the capable converter, hit the open with link to get it into the plugin and go.
I normally don't do this kind of stuff myself personally, and again for personal reasons, I'd prefer the final edit on the actual raw file too .. but this is an interesting way to add some ability in an otherwise fairly inadequate software like VNX2.

Mark L
02-04-2016, 10:57pm
Many words in this thread. Reckon a lot of them don't address

The Google Nik collection of Plug-Ins looks like it’s now available free for download.

So is the Nik Collection worth having? (guess it must be since nardes posted it).
What can it do for me? (Love Nik because ..... . It makes it easy to do ..... )
Any tutorials to help me learn what it may be able to do for me?

arthurking83
03-04-2016, 7:47am
Many words in this thread. Reckon a lot of them don't address

So is the Nik Collection worth having? .....
Any tutorials to help me learn what it may be able to do for me?

Summarised reply:

Yes.
Don't need them.

Long reply:

It's worth a try!
As it's free, you can simply download it(taking into account any download limitations) .. and load it up with your preferred editor.
if you don't like it, uninstall it.

Most of the programs are easy enough to use without the need to use any tutorials.

eg. the Silver Efex doodle I used in the above example was a very quick style selection that is available on the LH pane.
It gives you a large thumbnail sized preview on the LH navigation pane of what the image you just loaded will look like, and you just click that.
It has a named style(eg. the one I used was called Film Noir 3, and there were Film Noir 2 and 1 before that one).
Once I clicked that, I wanted a slight tweak to the overall look, and it gives you the ability to use control points to edit the image locally.
I used just a single control point (in my sample mono image) on my son's face to brighten it up and lower contrast and that's it.
The image I loaded though was a large sized converted jpg(from an NEF file) which was flattened in terms of contrast/colour and exposure.
So where the original colour image had a lot of contrast(blown highlights on my daughter's skin) and some very dark areas via the std picture style set in camera, I changed that in VNX2 to Flat Picture Control dropped exposure by -0.7Ev to restore skin highlight detail which obviously gave back lots of detail, but look totally flat in terms of contrast and colour.

In the sample image Silver Efex created the border too. Enough slides on the RH pane of the program to tweak a little here and there .. pretty basic stuff, even for a novice user with minimal PP experience.

Gazza
03-04-2016, 8:30am
So is the Nik Collection worth having? (guess it must be since nardes posted it).
What can it do for me? (Love Nik because ..... . It makes it easy to do ..... )
Any tutorials to help me learn what it may be able to do for me?
"So is the Nik Collection worth having?"....as Arthur says, it's free...go for it :D

"What can it do for me?" ... Define 2 is an excellent NR tool and Colour Efex has great contrast features - :th3:

"Any tutorials to help me learn what it may be able to do for me?" Here's a quick :url: (https://www.youtube.com/user/NikSoftwareLessons/playlists?sort=dd&shelf_id=6&view=50) for easy to understand lessons/tutorials that will take you through each module and has been created by Google(?)



When you have finished playing with Define, Silver Efex, colour Efex or whatever, you'll end up with a new layer...simply lower the opacity if you've gone overboard or add a 'Mask' to paint away what you don't want...sounds simple ah? :D :D


In summary, once you've got your head around 'Control Points' and a few shortcuts....it's quick and painless, embrace and enjoy :D :D :D

Mary Anne
03-04-2016, 8:37am
Thanks for the link Gazza and the Tips :2encou:

Cargo
03-04-2016, 11:26am
I down loaded it & so far just having a play with all the modules .....
Define 2 is great !!! Used it on some nightclub photos ..... Big difference !! There is a lot to go through
BUT ..... It's free

Cheers Cargo

Brendo09
03-04-2016, 11:32am
It's free Telstra data day, so I'll grab these today and have a look.

Mark L
03-04-2016, 11:10pm
Define 2 is great !!! Used it on some nightclub photos ..... Big difference !!
Still can't get my get my head around NR and sharpening. Thanks for the confirmation on Define 2. That's what I've downloaded Nik for. And then ...

Dug
04-04-2016, 12:44am
Many words in this thread. Reckon a lot of them don't address

So is the Nik Collection worth having? (guess it must be since nardes posted it).
What can it do for me? (Love Nik because ..... . It makes it easy to do ..... )
Any tutorials to help me learn what it may be able to do for me?

Tutorials also in the original post's link.
Not very clearly displayed their , but under 'more details' where the seven softwares are described.

ameerat42
06-04-2016, 11:44am
Hmm! Just saw in the specs that it needs Photoshop CS4 or higher.
I'm in the steam age with CS2:o

landyvlad
06-04-2016, 12:00pm
I paid for it and now it's free - typical! LOL

Gazza
06-04-2016, 12:04pm
I paid for it and now it's free - typical! LOL
Same!!...Oh well :(



Am, sure I read here or somewhere else on AP that it can be used as 'Standalone'

ameerat42
06-04-2016, 12:13pm
I just downloaded it and clicked on the setup... ...
...
...
Happened for a minute, so I stopped it and did it all again.
Still nothing.

I read that it has to look for host software, and I guessed CS4 or more:confused013

landyvlad
06-04-2016, 12:24pm
Am, sure I read here or somewhere else on AP that it can be used as 'Standalone'

I think there are (or were at one stage) two versions - one a plug in and one standalone. Could be wrong though.

Mark L
06-04-2016, 10:26pm
I read that it has to look for host software, and I guessed CS4 or more:confused013

This is old but probably still relevant to what you ask.

arthurking83
07-04-2016, 4:58am
......

You need to locate the executable files for each respective Nik program.
To find the .exe, for example on a Windows 64bit system, it's most likely installed to C drive, Program files(not program files (x86)!), Google, Nik Collection, and from there under each respective directory appropriately named.

A few notes: you may find a Google directory in your Program Files (x86) folder too. That is almost certainly installed by Google because of Chrome trying to infest your PC in some way.
Mine exists because I actually use my Google Drive allocation .. I've lost count of how many times I've explicitly told Chrome to 'go away'. Not in that folder. If you have an x86 (32bit) PC .. that's be a very old or cheap system by the way!) .. then you won't have a Program Files (x86) folder .. it'd still be located in a folder called Program Files.

Anyhow, once you find those executable files(don't open them!! .. they will almost certainly be useless on their own like that).

What you need to do, is one of a couple of things(or both if you prefer).

1. to use the programs without the assistance of any other program, that it truly standalone .. easiest way to use them is to locate each exe file and right click it and send to .. desktop!!
Now you have a shortcut to the program on your desktop.
If having all those shortcuts on your desktop is cumbersome, you could create folder on the desktop and move them all to there.
But to get this to work, you just drag an image to the shortcut, and the respective program will then open with that image loaded.
You can't(or at least I can't) open the program and then load an image into it.

Note that it only really works (for me) on TIFFs and JPGS, I don't have any Adobe file types to try it on.
To exit the program you need to cancel or save the file. Note that saving the file always overwrites the original file you opened it with. If this is important to you then make sure you open the program with a duplicate file!!

2. Another way you can get these 'plugins' to operate is to link them to any software that has a 'Open With' routine.
The two that come to mind for me .. are ViewNX2(and CaptureNX-D) and Fast Stone Viewer(FSV).
Locate the option to add the executables to the software you prefer to work with and add it to the Open With dialogue option.

Works well with ViewNX2, that I initially tried(haven't yet tried FSV).
Another note for VNX2 users ... and I use VNX2 as an example as it's editing ability is pretty hopeless!! These Nik apps now help out enourmously tho! :th3:
The gotcha with ViewNX2 is that you NEED to convert any raw file you want to edit before you load it into any of those Nik apps.
This is primarily because the Nik software doesn't really recognise raw files, and also because when they save, they save to the original file that they were opened with.
There is a chance(although I think unlikely) they could corrupt your raw file .. as they don't recognise them!!.
What will most likely happen is that if you accidentally open a raw file in any of those Nik apps, and then save, it will simply throw an error saying can't save raw file type or something.

Also, you may think if you can open a raw file with the Nik software ... why .. !!!!
Even tho I opened an NEF file in one of those programs, the truth is that ViewNX2 didn't actually send it a proper NEF file, it created a temporary tiff file and the Nik program tried to save it as a NEF.

Just use tiff if you want high quality final edits! :th3:

Anyhow, it all works.
The dragging of images to the Nik shortcuts is a bit tedious, but does work .. is handy, just tedious.
Easier to get to them via another image viewing program, most of which will have an Open with option.
Unless you need Nikon's ViewNX2, I'd recommend FSViewer.

hope that helps.

Am.
I know you use FSViewer too(well at least I think you do).
Use that program's ability to 'Open with'.
In FSV go to (in the toolbar)Settings->Settings. In the new window, click on the Programs tab near the end.
Click [Add]. I dunno where the navigation box will take you, but on a x_64 box, the location of the executables you want will be in:
Program Files\Google\Nik Collection\ ...
Once in there, each individual plugin will have it own directory. The exe in the immediate directory is a 32bit version. In that initial directory is another 64bit folder, and the 64bit version of the program will be in that folder.
I suppose the only reason you want the 64bit version over the 32 bit version in the primary directory of each plugin is that the 64 bit version should run with more memory(RAM) if the image needs it(and you have it installed)
Tried both 64 bit and 32bit on 'normal images'(ie. standard jpgs and tifs, up to 220Mb tiff) and they run exactly the same.

ameerat42
07-04-2016, 8:22am
Ta Guys. I cannot see that the Nik software installed anywhere.

It just sat ruminating in the task bar for several minutes. The process
in Task Man never exceeded 0%. :confused013

arthurking83
07-04-2016, 9:19am
Ta Guys. I cannot see that the Nik software installed anywhere.

.....

Not in the directory I described?

It doesn't install any links, shortcuts or any other means to access the exes directly.

FWIW: I don't have any Adobe products installed, but had a few remnant Adobe folders in various (temp) locations .. which I subsequently deleted too.
But it still installed itself into the program files folder as described.

What I'm thinking is: maybe it needs to see some Adobe folders/directories for it to install .. the note on the Nik site says that a prerequisite is that it needs Adobe Ps or Lr to work.
But all you really need is the Nik directory in the programs files as I described.

So: maybe install a trial version of one of those Adobe programs(eg. Lr trial of whatever make) and try installing Nik again .. then remove the Adobe trial!
Removing the Adobe trial won't remove the Nik programs! ;)

Apart from that, I dunno nuth'n!

ameerat42
07-04-2016, 9:57am
(K)nope, AK. Only Googlery is in X86 and is Chrome.

It didn't look like it was installing when I tried. Dozen matter much,
as it was just a bit of curiosity (cat-bane) rather than something I'd
hanker for.

arthurking83
08-04-2016, 8:16am
OK, if you have a 'Program Files(x86)' directory in your C drive, then you're PC is 64bit.

Where Nik installs itself is 'Program files', not 'Program Files(x86)'!

But it appears to be an x86 program to boot! Reason is, within each of the plugins respective directories, there are the primary exes, AND a directory called '64-bit' as well.

So for a 64bit PC, the install directory will be:
C -> Program Files (not Program Files(x86)!!) -> Google -> Nik Collection -> {insert name of plugin folder} -> in here will be a folder named {plugin name}(64 bit) AND an .8bf file and an .exe

The exe in the primary directory seems to be 32 bit, even tho it's installed in the main 64bit directory.
All 32bit programs install in the x86 folder, except these Nik plugins :confused013
The exe in the 64 bit folder are all a few megabytes larger than the (seemingly) x86 version .. which implies they are 64 bit versions.

If you can't find this directory structure, then obviously it didn't install.

Curious as to why too tho.

ameerat42
08-04-2016, 8:21am
I concur. It is the stuff of dead cats:nod:

Mark L
08-04-2016, 10:56pm
So for those that have been able to install Nik how have you found it? I'm thinking the NR works okay.

And Am, you answered your own questions way back.Just don't try Nick as stand alone it seems.;)

Dug
09-04-2016, 3:42am
So for those that have been able to install Nik how have you found it? I'm thinking the NR works okay.



Silver Efex Pro 2 is good for B+W.
I'll go to it over LR b+W processing if I want a result that pushes contrast and making fine detail more pronounced.

This ability to push the file further also means keeping a close eye out for the on set of artifacts.

That was the only one I had till now.

Keen to try Viveza 2 on colour images to see where its strengths are.

A demo of Sharpener Pro 3 looked interesting relating to sharpening for printing, but I would use LR for screen and web content for simplicity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wTP7ryZVAQ

Interested also on other peoples impressions of the ones I have not tried yet.

ameerat42
09-04-2016, 8:50am
That was somebody else. It just won't stand up and install itself for me.
Not too worried, though. - In fact, not at all.:D