Pets can kill too.. Not just dangerous breeds

[zeroharm]

On Sunday night 2 "pets" got into my backyard and killed my little jack Russell "Cleo".. One a lab, and the other a malamute mix.. It was the lab that killed her, luckily my Ridgeback got the malamute or it would of killed my other Jack Russell .. We need tougher laws in this country re: responsible pet ownership!! We fence pools to make them safe, why are we allowed to keep pets that can roam free? I have a remote fence so mine cannot get out, it cost me $193 and works perfectly.. It should be law to ensure your property is adequately secure if you are to keep dogs. I now have lost one of my little mates, have a little JR with a puncture to her chest and a Ridgeback with several punctures to his legs and neck.. Because people are irresponsible :( Below is my kids, little Cleo is the one in the middle..

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[ving]

man thats a sad story. some ppl dont deserve pets! pets shouldnt be a right but a privilege.

[Tikira]

Oh wow, I am so sorry to hear this, but how brave was your Ridgy, saving the other little guy. I guess we won't hear too much about this shocking incident, because the dogs involved arent so called "dangerous" breeds, but it does show that breed is not the only factor.

Rest in Peace little Cleo, and hugs to you and your family, and your brave doggies.
Di

[old dog]

sad for your loss. Pity we have to live and deal with humans and their selfishness.

[Cage]

I feel your pain. :sad68:

I have a Staffy, and with people she knows, she is a loveable sook. I love her to bits and she is extremely protective of me.

With other dogs her first instinct is to play, but if they growl, or show any aggression, she goes bananas.

She is NEVER out of my secure yard unless on a leash.

It is a responsibility to have a pet, and those that can harm people, or other animals, should always be controlled.

Irresponsible people who let their animals roam at will should be dealt with by the law.

[zollo]

Sorry for your loss.
How did the other dogs get in if you have fences that yours can't get out of?

[Ms Monny]

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That is so sad!! Sorry to hear this news and I hope your other little (and not so little) mates get over her loss too.

We had a stray dog come onto our property last week and eat our chickens. When I came home, I saw this young, malnourished black kelpie pup on my back doorstep. I chained it up, fed and watered it (we have two dogs that are fenced in the back yard area). Owner came and got it while I was out picking up my kids (away 10 mins) - no note or anything. Found our eaten chickens an hour later. :(

[Cargo]

Mate I'm so sorry to hear about this tragedy, You have my deepest sympathy and I'm sending healing thoughts.
I can actually relate to your hurt as this exact thing happened to good friend just a few years ago .... Nothing ever came from it and the dogs were quickly relocated by their low life owners.
Unfortunatly its not the dogs fault, dangerous or otherwise ..... Its irresponsible owners that cause these dreadful events. I own a dog that would be considered dangerous and he is a well behaved sook. We took time to train him and socialise him, we also keep our dogs contained, it dosn't take much.
RIP to your little friend
My thoughts are with your family
Cargo

[Duane Pipe]

Sorry to hear the sad news. As for dangerous dogs! I think any breed can be a killer in the wrong hands.
Like cargo I have had Dangerous dogs and still do, (although mine is a x breed) I socialize him with other dogs and people when ever I can and he is a big sooky baby, Its the hero's that think their dogs are tough and without realizing what they are doing in there training they turn the dog into a time bomb.

[zeroharm]

Sorry for your loss.
How did the other dogs get in if you have fences that yours can't get out of?
Thank you Zollo.. I have a containment fence which runs around the perimeter of the yard (my dogs wear collars that alert them to the proximity of the fence, if they get too close they get a beeping sound, if they continue to get closer they get a vibration) Alot of flags and training to get them used to the system. My house is fully fenced as well with pool fencing like zincalume. One of my dogs used to get out and find me at work, which is fine, except that I work in the mines! Which is why I invested in the containment fence. Unfortunately it does not keep other dogs out.. The neighbours said the dogs that killed her just jumped the gate!! which is a normal farm gate.

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That is so sad!! Sorry to hear this news and I hope your other little (and not so little) mates get over her loss too.

We had a stray dog come onto our property last week and eat our chickens. When I came home, I saw this young, malnourished black kelpie pup on my back doorstep. I chained it up, fed and watered it (we have two dogs that are fenced in the back yard area). Owner came and got it while I was out picking up my kids (away 10 mins) - no note or anything. Found our eaten chickens an hour later. :(

Sorry to hear about the chooks Monika!! It is just an awful experience :(

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Sorry to hear the sad news. As for dangerous dogs! I think any breed can be a killer in the wrong hands.
Like cargo I have had Dangerous dogs and still do, (although mine is a x breed) I socialize him with other dogs and people when ever I can and he is a big sooky baby, Its the hero's that think their dogs are tough and without realizing what they are doing in there training they turn the dog into a time bomb.

Iggi is also considered "Dangerous" (crossed with a bull arab) He is a fierce protector of the house and car, but when confronted with a snappy angry little dog he sits on them!! but he is well behaved with alot of time and effort gone into his behaviour.. He will bark at the door, then put his head in their lap for a cuddle once inside. There is alot of energy required for any dog to be well balanced, not just the large & "Dangerous" breeds.. If people aren't prepared to put the time in, then a dog is not for them.. Regardless of its size.. I agree with you when you say "heroes" mentality.. So true..

[Tricky]

So sorry to hear of your loss. We had our small dog attacked on a public dog beach by a staffie mix and he was lucky to survive - punctured neck which blew up like a balloon with internal bleeding. The owner of the staffie said "sorry about that, he doesn't usually get that aggressive"...

[zeroharm]

So sorry to hear of your loss. We had our small dog attacked on a public dog beach by a staffie mix and he was lucky to survive - punctured neck which blew up like a balloon with internal bleeding. The owner of the staffie said "sorry about that, he doesn't usually get that aggressive"...
I think the feeling of failure is overwhelming!! I failed to keep them safe!! It was my job.. I cannot imagine the pain she suffered... :( I have been told it was a blessing that I did not see it, as I probably would of been attacked as well.. It does not make me feel any better...

Is your dog ok now Richard?? I hope so...

[Mark L]

I think the feeling of failure is overwhelming!! I failed to keep them safe!! It was my job.. .......

You can not control what others should have.

[Allie]

I am so sad for you and your family and dogs that this has happened - a very traumatic and terrible situation.:( There are a lot of irresponsible pet owners and usually minimal to no consequences for the owner when bad things happen. Do not feel responsible for this happening when the blame lies elsewhere. (((hugs)))

[Tricky]

Is your dog ok now Richard?? I hope so...

Yes, we got lucky, Enzo is fine. He spent a day at a vet's and incurred $1000+ in bills, but once they drained the haemotoma he was ok. We decided to get pet insurance that day, so that cost would never influence our decision should Enzo require treatment.

Please don't blame yourself over Cleo. Hard enough coping with your loss, never mind absorbing blame that is absolutely not yours.

[Sifor]

Absolutely gut wrenching, I feel your pain...

I am bloody sick of irresponsible pet owners that let their animals roam free. I live on a lake, and my neighbours have a cat that is never kept indoors. In the past two months it has killed a water dragon that lived in my garden (has frequented my garden for about 6 years.. it was a huge and incredibly tame lizard..) , several ducklings and the mother duck. If I ever see the cat in my property, I will do one of two things: catch it and take it to the pound, or two 'deal' with it in other ways (maybe it's time I get back into shooting? :action:) . I love all animals, including cats, but far out, not when they kill innocent wildlife I have grown to know over the years.

Get the police involved and have the animal that killed your dog destroyed. Admittedly, it's not the dog's fault (or in my situation the cat), but the owner's. Still, lessons will be learned.

[Rattus79]

my neighbours have a cat that is never kept indoors

Join the club.
It's the only animal I will allow my Staffy to chase. (don't stress, she would only lick it if she got close. I once caught her humpin my sisters cat ...)

Loosing your best friend is never going to be easy. My heart goes out to all who have had to experience the heat wrenching pain associated with any of your family being hurt in any way.

I once had to patch up my dog after she jumped out the window of our car on the first day of a 12 day driving holiday. Thankfully we were going under 60 and she bounced clear of the trailer we were towing, but that doesnt' make any difference as you look in the rear view to see your best mate bouncing down the highway. Luckily she only got a few good scrapes and bruises. Apart from being shaken, she was otherwise ok.

Being a Staffy owner, (a supposedly dangerous breed Pfft) I can honestly say it all comes back to the owner and their training. I can stop my dog from doing anything with a single word regardless of what she's doing at the time. Poor thing got her ass kicked at the dog park a couple of times because I broke her off a fight with a word, she turned her back and got pummeled. For the record, the other dogs started the fight by trying to steal take her toy, and got pissed off when she wouldn't give it to them.

Ving Said it right at the top of this thread:

some ppl dont deserve pets! pets shouldnt be a right but a privilege.

I truly agree. Training should be mandatory for all pet owners, especially if they are large or potentially dangerous breeds. (funnily enough the most dangerous breed I've come across are chiuawas nastly little buggers they are.) Train the trainers. It's not difficult to teach a dog. They're the same as kids. They absorb your behaviour.

[Analog6]

So sorry to hear you have lost your little girl, RIP Chloe. It is owners that should be dealt with, not the dogs. People are so irresponsible with opets. My 6 cats are insdie with their cattery and netted verandah, so they cause no grief to anyone. yet we consistently get neighbours dogs and occasionally cats in our front yard (not fenced, it is small). There is one dog that growls and bares its teeth at us, I hate to think what it would do to the cats if they were out. Do you have any idea who owns the ofenders - perhpas you could report them?

[Duane Pipe]

Iggi is also considered "Dangerous" (crossed with a bull arab)

A Dangerous Bull Arab pfft baloney, They are gentle giants. it is a fact that the nastiest dogs are the fluffy Shit sue's and the like.

Do you want to here a funny story! Ok then... My dad tells me of a time when I was around 4 years old when I set his blue heeler onto the posty on his pushy:D I cant remember but Dad said it was funny watching the dog hanging off his pants.
I was a little turd actually, I can remember about the same time telling my school friends to stick their fingers in Dads ferret cage:lol::lol::D

[zeroharm]

Do you have any idea who owns the ofenders - perhpas you could report them?[/QUOTE]

We only know what type of dogs they were, not the owners, but I am hoping small town outrage will help in bringing them to justice.

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Iggi is also considered "Dangerous" (crossed with a bull arab)

A Dangerous Bull Arab pfft baloney, They are gentle giants. it is a fact that the nastiest dogs are the fluffy Shit sue's and the like.

Do you want to here a funny story! Ok then... My dad tells me of a time when I was around 4 years old when I set his blue heeler onto the posty on his pushy:D I cant remember but Dad said it was funny watching the dog hanging off his pants.
I was a little turd actually, I can remember about the same time telling my school friends to stick their fingers in Dads ferret cage:lol::lol::D

You sounded like a turd too Dave!! :D Iggi is ridiculously friendly.. My 2 new cats have him wrapped around their little paws, it is funny to watch him lay down so they can attack his face!! People overlook the little snappy dogs, but all dogs can be lethal in the wrong hands..

[ving]

every dog has the potential to be a threat... its what they do. even small dogs can be dangerous! you could choke on them! :lol2:

[ricktas]

Pet ownership is a big deal, no matter what the pet. I am sorry for your loss also and agree we need stricter rules regarding pet ownership.



every dog has the potential to be a threat.... :lol2:

so can cats be. Look at all the native wildlife that is constantly under threat from domestic cats. Feral cats would not exist if pet owners took their responsibility seriously. I have lost count of the number of cats I have shot, growing up on a farm.

[zeroharm]

The local Rangers called today and told me they have one of the dogs in "custody" and 2 still on the loose!! Sounds like the one they have is the dog that killed Cleo.. They picked it up near my home this morning!! I do not understand why pet ownership is treated so lightly here, when we have had so many tragic incidents in the past? I do not know where to go with this issue, but I feel as if I cannot stop until some positive changes have been made! Any suggestions on how I can get this the attention it needs will be truly appreciated..

We are the most destructive creatures on this planet.. Dangerous & feral animals are just a by-product of our ongoing stupidity.

[la lumiere]

I am sorry for your loss and the obvious heartache it brings to you.
Always devastating to lose a friend, X10 when it is senseless and avoidable.
Glad you have some photos to cherish of your pet family including Cleo.

[Cage]

The local Rangers called today and told me they have one of the dogs in "custody" and 2 still on the loose!! Sounds like the one they have is the dog that killed Cleo.. They picked it up near my home this morning!! I do not understand why pet ownership is treated so lightly here, when we have had so many tragic incidents in the past? I do not know where to go with this issue, but I feel as if I cannot stop until some positive changes have been made! Any suggestions on how I can get this the attention it needs will be truly appreciated..


We are the most destructive creatures on this planet.. Dangerous & feral animals are just a by-product of our ongoing stupidity.


Hard one to answer.

We have to remember that dogs are domesticated wild animals, and that wildness is always inherent. Training and control will keep that natural aggression in check, but that all goes out the window when irresponsible people allow their animals to roam free, particularly in company, when 'the pack' mentality comes into play.

It's not the dog's fault that it was being a 'dog', the fault lies with the dipstick owner who failed to keep it under control.

I think you should follow this up with the ranger, and make sure the owner is castigated to the maximum extent of the law. The dogs have now killed, and may in some way have reverted to the wild mode.

Unfortunately the sad by product of this action will be the probable demise of the dogs, but a community can't allow dogs that have killed to roam around. A child may be next.

Kevin

[Mark L]

.... I do not understand why pet ownership is treated so lightly here, when we have had so many tragic incidents in the past? I do not know where to go with this issue, but I feel as if I cannot stop until some positive changes have been made!......

Unfortunately, I suspect you will never stop then! Jeez, some people don't seem to be able to grasp the importance of being a good parent, let along worrying about their pets. :angry0:
We don't have dogs or cats, and a lot of that has to do with the responsibility that you have with them. Have a few birds, we love them and they love us (one thinks I'm it's mate!).:)
Anyway, all the best Sheree.

[shelly1170]

So sorry to hear about you puppy.

You are so right about "dangerous" breeds. ALL dogs, from the smallest to the largest, have the potential to cause damage. It's purely genetics. I have a field spaniel, who has retired to my parents house while we are living OS, and she is the sweetest dog ever. But I would never leave my small children unsupervised with her. Ditto for letting her roam free.

[Rattus79]

I would never leave my small children unsupervised with her

I trust my Staffy implicitly. Without hesitation, I'd let her babysit for me.

4 years ago, I would have though twice about it, but now, no heistation. (She's 6 now)

[zeroharm]

I trust my Staffy implicitly. Without hesitation, I'd let her babysit for me.

4 years ago, I would have though twice about it, but now, no heistation. (She's 6 now)

My Ridgeback has been taught to lay down as soon as my niece comes up to him (she is 3) He knows she is the boss.. He sleeps by her bed, lays at her feet when she goes to the toilet and suffers the indignity of bright pink scarves around his neck and back and lovely hair ties up his tail.. I ensure he does not forget who's boss when she is here and take him for a very long walk before they can play.. It isn't hard to do, and the rewards are incredible :)

Thanks to everyone for your thoughts and very kind words.. Apparently all dogs have been caught now, and funnily enough the owners have not contacted the pound for their animals!! They will be destroyed at the end of next week (I believe).. I did not have any say in that matter, they can not be rehomed because of aggression..

As a side note to Gregs' post above... It is not my dog I do not trust, but children can unknowingly be cruel, and a dogs first warning to the child is to growl.. Which in most cases results in destruction of the dog!! If people understood a dogs body language they can go a long way to preventing attacks..

[kalley]

Sorry to read about your dogs zeroharm. I can understand your anguish. Love dogs and have a fondness for Blues myself. Want to get another one but won't untill i get a place with a fence and plenty of room for him to run around in.

There is a saying Guns don't kill people, people do.
It is so appropriate when related to dogs. Dogs aren't born agressive, they are raised that way.

Dogs shouldn't be registered, people should be registered to have them.

A dog will always be a mans best friend if you treat them right. Plenty of attention and participation.

Again condolences.

Kevin