60D or 7D?

[ExclusiveAV]

Hi guys and girls.

Im just trying to decide between the 60d and 7d and i cant make up my mind! Im happy with the price of the 7d but is it necessary? Is it truly a better camera?
I like to shoot - 70% Landscapes, 5% fishing, 5% Macro 20% my golden retriever and eventually kids!
I would love to get a Canon 10-22 wide angle lens for the landscapes and ive been given a 18-55 efs which ill use for general purpose etc. in a few months i would love to upgrade this to a good general purpose L series.
Ive been told the focusing system on the 7D is better? Id love to make a decision tonight and order it tomorrow!
I appreciate any input and recommendations. Thanks Steve

[rowdy23]

7d
all day
best crop sensor on market

[ExclusiveAV]

Thats 1 for the 7D!

[I @ M]

Do you own any Canon lenses AV?

If not, why not consider a Pentax or a Nikon with the "real" best "crop" sensor on the market? :rolleyes:

[ExclusiveAV]

Hi Andrew. I have been given 18-55 and 55-250 canon efs lenses. I was going to use these until i can afford an L series upgrade. I also have a canon G12 and i know the manual settings backwards so i thought id stick with canon

[unistudent1962]

7d
all day
best crop sensor on market

EXACTLY the same sensor as the one in the 60D and the 600D.
(And as much a Canon fan as I am, it's not even close to the best crop sensor available at the moment.)
Given what you want to capture, buy the 60D and put what you save towards the 10-22.

PS There's not really a good general purpose L zoom that works on a crop. The 24-70 and 24-105 Ls aren't going to be anywhere near wide enough for the majority of what you want to capture.

[Bennymiata]

Pictures from a 7D or 60D with the same lens will look EXACTLY the same.
They have the same sensor and processor.

The advantages of the 7D over the 60D is that you have more focus points and the 7D has a faster FPS.
If you are shooting lots of action sports, or birds in flight, then the 7D is your camera.
If you are shooting lots of landscapes and general photography, then the 60D will do what you want for less money, that can go towards lenses or a good flash.

Before I bought my 60D, I was in the same quandry, but as I don't do lots of fast action stuff I decided on the 60D, and I've been very pleased with it.
The fast action stuff I've done has actually come out pretty well, so don't dissmiss the 60D as a great all-around camera.

Another thing is that I'm not too keen on metal bodied cameras.
I've owned lots of them, and just find that they are heavier, and more prone to scratches and dents than the good polycarbonate material the 60D is made of.

[fabian628]

if you have bigger hands 7d is nicer to hold

[ExclusiveAV]

Thanks Unistudent and Bennymiata. Its sounding like i should be going the 60D and spending the savings on glass or flash.

Is it just the FPS thats quicker on the 7D or is it the focusing speed aswell? Im not sure if i would ever use the continus shooting mode. Ive never used continus because my G12 does about 1 shot per 3 sec!

[KeeFy]

The 60D has the flippy screen thingy that is really useful if you don't want to strain your neck from a extremely low position, good for landscape. I've handled the 60D and owned a 7D. 7D feels better egronomically and beefier. If you don't need the AF, the 60D is the better choice and put the money towards a nice lens.

7D does 8FPS. 7D also has better AF.

+1 for the 60D over the 7D for landscape.

+1 for 7D over 60D for sports/action photography.

[Speedway]

The 7D sensor is not the same as the 60 or 600D, it has a better (dual) processor, also the 7D's focusing system and frame rate are better, the build quality is more robust with the stainless steel frame, the outer shell is still resin not metal as stated earlier the weight difference is not much (150g) the size difference although slight is more noticeable. I got the 7D over the 50D a few years back and the 60D was a step back from 50D when released so I am still very satisfied with my choice, to me the 7D is a far more versatile camera. Also going by Canon's replacement cycles they are both not far off an update.
Keith.

[Arg]

The pictures won't look exactly the same, but it's not important anyway.

The 7D is harder to learn, and harder to use well. It is more frustrating. It is potentially more rewarding, but only in certain circumstances.

If you want to do video, the 60D's flip screen is a real advantage.

[KeeFy]

The 60D apparently has better ISO control over the 7D, but that's when you pixel peep. Other than that .. the sensor is pretty similar.. but not the same.

[ameerat42]

I thought the 7D had two processors and the 60D only one, them and the sensor being the same. (???)
Am.

[ExclusiveAV]

Thanks heaps for the replys and info guys. Much appreciated.
Aaahhhhhhhhhhhh. Its still such a hard choice! Im liking the idea of more FPS with the 7d (I get real frustrated with the slowness of my G12) but there is a small chance i would miss the flip screen with the 60d. Im going to go and play with both of them in a shop tomorrow and see what i come up with

[rowdy23]

how is the focus system on 60d ??
7d is pretty darn good

[Allan Ryan]

don't know how they compare But i would look into the ISO performance and see which one is best.
Just a thought.

[Ezookiel]

The difference in frames per second isn't that huge.
5.6 frames per second or thereabouts on the 60D versus 8FPS on the 7D would really only matter to a sports photographer.
I took a series of shots on fastest frame rate on my 60D, of a person skipping stones across a river, and was more than happy with the results, and the arm and stone are moving pretty quick when skipping stones.
So personally I think FPS is the wrong reason to choose the 7D unless you really need those extra 2.whatever frames.
Bear in mind, that for really fast FPS rates, you also need to get a pretty fast memory card. Not much point having spectacular FPS if your memory card can't store them fast enough to keep up, and fast cards are definitely not cheap.

I love my 60D, but I chose it over the 7D for the main reason that I'm still really learning my way around DSLR cameras, and the 60D falls into the enthusiast range, where Canon still expect you might need some help, and the camera is designed with that in mind, where the 7D falls into the professional range, and seems to expect you to know a lot more about what you're doing.
For the small differences I'd go the 60D and get it some really good glass.

[Speedway]

Bear in mind, that for really fast FPS rates, you also need to get a pretty fast memory card. Not much point having spectacular FPS if your memory card can't store them fast enough to keep up, and fast cards are definitely not cheap.

I only use 133X Memory cards in my 7d and have had no problem capturing 20 frame sequences, I have not pushed it to it's limit to see how many shots it is capable of before these slow? cards cause problems.
Keith.

[Bennymiata]

The sensor in the 60D is the same sensor that is in the 7D, and even the processor is the same, but the 7D has 2 processors rather than the one in the 60D.
The focussing in the 7D has more points to choose from and is faster, but with a decent lens on it, the 60D focusses in the blink of an eye anyway.

The FPS is quite fast in the 60D, I manage to get good action shots with it, but the 7D has a larger buffer so it can hold more frames when writing back to the card before slowing down.
If you intend on using the motor drive for more than 2-3 seconds at a time, then the 7D has the advantage, but usually, you'll only be pressing the shutter for 1 or 2 seconds at a time anyway.
If you are going to use either camera for HD video or lots of FPS, get yourself the fastest card you can afford, otherwise the video wil skip (on either camera) or it will take along time to write all those frames back to the card from the buffer.

[ExclusiveAV]

Such great information guys! Thanks heaps! I will get a fast card either way i go. Its looking like im erring towards the 60d with the Canon ef 24-105 f4 usm L series and the 10-22 Wide angle which ive already ordered. If i did get the 7d i probably wouldnt be able to bring myself to buying both lenses.

[Speedway]

Good for you, great camera and lenses. enjoy your selection and I look forward to seeing what you can do with it.
Keith.

[KeeFy]

My bad, it was the 600D that had the different sensor. Not the 60D.

[Ezookiel]

I only use 133X Memory cards in my 7d and have had no problem capturing 20 frame sequences, I have not pushed it to it's limit to see how many shots it is capable of before these slow? cards cause problems.
Keith.

Thanks. You may have just saved me a fortune :)
My 45MB/s cards (300x) originally cost me over $100 each, (at least they're now down around $40)
The fastest card when I first looked 18 months ago was $800 :eek: which is what my lens cost!
I do use the the camera on high speed drive quite often though, not because I take sports shots or the like, but because every photo I ever take with a person in it, they seem to manage to shut their eyes just as I take the shot, so multi shots means I hopefully get one where their eyes are open :)

[Cjcc67]

If you are after the 24 to 105 L f4 a number of them are available near new and used via the links on ausphotography.net.au

[Bennymiata]

The 60D and 24-105L is a great combination.
I use it a lot myself.

[ExclusiveAV]

So i got a 7D! :eek: Justification- didnt want to out grow the 60d too quickly. Its always the temptation to buy something better!
Now i feel guilty about the purchase, still havent even unboxed it yet. Ill build up the curage a bit later. I ordered a canon 10-22 yesterday, prob wont get it till next week. i do have a 18-55 efs and a 55-250 to play with in the mean time. Im sure after a few days i wont regret the purchase. Ill keep saving for the 24-105L

[Ezookiel]

Nice choice. No doubt you'll end up very happy with it.
Looking forward to seeing some pics from it.

[ExclusiveAV]

Thanks Ezookiel. Ive unpacked it and ive been playing all afternoon. Am loving it, just going through all the settings. Hangin for my 10-22, should be able to post some nice landscapes next week.

Thanks heaps guys for all the advice

[patrickv]

Sometimes I wish I has a 60D rather than a 7D for magic lantern - as the 7D isn't supported because of its dual digic. If it was supported I would hack the hell out of it. My first move would be to fix the bogus auto-iso and add a minimal shutter speed in Av mode and/or configurable weights for different parameters - allowing me to shoot with custom properties (advantage of "manual" mode) without having to bother about setting manual stuff on the spot.

Apart from that the 7D is a good camera. I like its build quality, it feels good in the hand, shoots fast, AF tracks well.

Cheers

[Bennymiata]

Enjoy your 7D.
It is a great camera.

[ExclusiveAV]

Thanks mate. Im loving the speed of the camera and the customizable focusing system. havent taken any shots worth posting yet, still waiting for my 10-22 uwa!

[tassam380]

I have a a 60D Myself and have always been regretting that I didnt go for that. It costs a bit more, yes, but the body is more sturdy, it has twice as much processing power and shoots faster. Focusing is also greatly improved. Im going to say go for the 7D. If you get a 60D You might always be wanting a little bit more. Don't get me wrong, the 60D is a fantastic camera but the 7D just has a little more in my opinion.

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Good Luck with it all, and Enjoy :)

[ExclusiveAV]

Thanks tassam. Thats why i just went the 7D. I didnt want to take a 60D home and start thinking for a few of hundred dollars more i could have had the 7D. Thanks mate. I am loving the camera

[MrBling]

You made the right decision, I had a 60D for a while, not a huge fan of it for numerous reasons...

[Karl]

I just got the 7D today as well - upgraded from the 450D and wow what a camera :D

Spent the last few hours playing with it and reading the manual put out by David Busch which is better than the Canon manual.

Now to save up and get a good lens :o

Still got the G12 for my underwater photography :)

Karl

[patrickv]

I can't capture 1080p 30fps video on a 133x or 200x memory card (20 or 30MB/s), it misses frame and the video files get a bit corrupted. It works fine on a 400x/60MB/s card.

For all the rest, my experience with 133x was perfectly fine on this camera, including raw file machine gun shooting.

[ExclusiveAV]

Good job Karl! Yep its one hell of a camera. So happy. I have already read the whole canon manual, ill have to get that David Busch manual.

[Mark L]

I had a 60D for a while, not a huge fan of it for numerous reasons...
And the numerous reasons... would be ...

[Karl]

Good job Karl! Yep its one hell of a camera. So happy. I have already read the whole canon manual, ill have to get that David Busch manual.

I like it as it gives a better explanation of al of the functions which helps. Now to just start using the camera :D

Karl

[Dwarak]

I think there is no comparison between the two cameras the 60d is classified as an entry level camera does not belong to the professional class like the 7d. The 7d with its weather sealing and AF system makes it just incomparable to the 60d I own a 7d myself apart from it being a crop sensor camera I have no other complaints about it. I usually shoot landscapes and not sports or action shots. I also have a 5d mark 2 which I mostly use the 7d is the back up camera in my bag.


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[Arg]

I think there is no comparison between the two cameras the 60d is classified as an entry level camera does not belong to the professional class like the 7d....

While I agree about the 7D's excellence, the 60D is NOT an entry level camera. Far from it.

A rundown of the Canon range on the AP website is here (http://www.ausphotography.net.au/forum/showlibrary.php?title=Camera_Lens_and_Gear:DSLR_Brand_Model_List#Canon_all_CMOS_except_1D_which_is_CCD).

Canon uses the number of digits in the model number to classify their cameras. The less digits the higher the classification.

The number '1' is a flagship professional model
1 digit is advanced amateur 5D, 7D
2 digits is intermediate amateur 60D
3 digits is budget amateur 600D
4 digits is beginner 1100D

And between the 60D and the 7D I think there are swings and roundabouts, it is not all one way traffic.

[unistudent1962]

I think there is no comparison between the two cameras the 60d is classified as an entry level camera does not belong to the professional class like the 7d. The 7d with its weather sealing and AF system makes it just incomparable to the 60d I own a 7d myself apart from it being a crop sensor camera I have no other complaints about it. I usually shoot landscapes and not sports or action shots. I also have a 5d mark 2 which I mostly use the 7d is the back up camera in my bag.


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Most of the features (apart perhaps from the weather sealing) and the added extra cost of the 7D will do little, if anything for landscape photography over and above what the 60D will do.

[Speedway]

I would think weather sealing would be a major consideration for landscape photographers.
Keith.

[Bennymiata]

I've used my 60D in showers and on the wild coastline, and never had a problem in over 50,000 actuations.

For landscape, the flippy screen is a godsend as you can put the camera low down, and not have to grovel in the dirt to see it.

Picture quality is exactly the same too.

[KeeFy]

Oh as for weather sealing... I stripped apart my 7D after it got splashed with salt water for the 2nd time. Found out there is not a lot of weather sealing in comparison to a XXXD series camera. There is extra bits, just not a whole lot.

Circuity was untouched but loads of salt and corrosion on the body internals. Mostly entered from both the strap hooks/anchor area.

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/325309_10150617022639202_786354201_11582826_1193827053_o.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/374696_10150616887559202_786354201_11582635_888351862_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/333785_10150616859294202_786354201_11582577_1040065054_o.jpg

I stripped it further but forgot to take pictures of the corrosion. I cleaned it all up with distilled water, dried it off and put it back together. Works brilliantly.

[GJC]

Hi Steve,
I have both. I've had the 7D for two years and love it. I was looking for a 2nd body, becasue I was tending to change lenses a lot, and wanted to keep dust infiltration down. I decided on the 60D. I tend to keep my wide angle lens on the 60D and my longer lenses on the 7D. It's nice having the flip out screen to compose the landscapes, especially when you're getting down low or up high, or even just on the tripod, to swivel it to face where your standing.

I'f I had to buy one camer only, I'd go with the 7D every time, but I'm really loving the 60D for landscapes.

Cheers,
Greg

[Tony B]

Have you thought of a 5D or 5DII as most of your subjects are static & the centre point AF of the 5DII is adequate for your needs with superior IQ for landscapes.




Canon: 1DIII, 5DIII, 5D, 17-40, 24-70, 70-200 f2.8 L IS vii, 100 macro, 50 L, 50 f1.8 (Best value lens), 300 f2.8 L IS.

[ExclusiveAV]

Hi Tony, I got the 7D in the end and im loving it! Thanks for the reply

[James02]

I like very much the lens adjustment in the 7d. It does make a difference but my worst lens is only -5 on the scale.

James

[lostdot]

i was in the same boat between the two cameras and decided to go for the 60d, couldnt see the pint in the extra when im not going to be able to afford l series lenses for a while, but that was my choice. the 60d has been an excellent camera, absolutly love it:th3:

[Lantern]

I've always assumed that my upgrade from the 450d would be the 7d but after doing a bit of research and reading posts like this and youtube, I'm wondering if the 60D (or 70D) might not be a better move. On paper the differences are, in my mind, minimal: focus points, extra processor, higher burst rate (I shoot single shot), flippy-around-screen-thing and size. I went to #elizabeth street camera shop# to try the two in my hands and think the 60d more comfortable for me. I'm not sure if that is because I'm used to the smaller size of the 450d or because it feels better.

[Arg]

Lantern, if the 60D feels better in hand, that is a factor I would definitely take into account. Especially since you see little benefit for yourself in the 7D's extras.

[Mark L]

On paper the differences are, in my mind, minimal: focus points, extra processor, higher burst rate (I shoot single shot), flippy-around-screen-thing and size. I went to #elizabeth street camera shop# to try the two in my hands and think the 60d more comfortable for me.
As Arg said, if it feels comfortable :th3:
I've found the "flippy-around-screen-thing" quite useful. High ISO seems Okay also.