Laptops and Lightroom

[HelenClaire]

Hubby and I are heading off overseas next month and I would like to take a compact, lightweight laptop to blog our travels and most importantly to store the zillion photos I will be taking. So I am on the hunt for a suitable laptop which can run Lightroom (there is no way I can wait until I get home to tweak). :scrtch:Can anyone recommend one?

[ricktas]

Just got to Harvey Norman/ JB Hifi etc and you will find a plethora of options in the $500.00 - $1000.00 range that will offer reasonable HDD space and ability to run LR. But be aware the screens on these are not generally the best options for photo editing. They are cheap for a reason

[Kym]

@Helen - a lightweight notebook is good.
Also an external hard drive for backup.

Keep the hard drive in a different bag to the note book! :cool:

[HelenClaire]

I can afford up to $1500. Was looking at the Macbook Air but was told it cant run L/R because it doesn't have a dedicated graphics card. I thought that was only needed for lots of gaming not photos. Maybe I'm wrong. Just curious to know what others use.

[JM Tran]

I can afford up to $1500. Was looking at the Macbook Air but was told it cant run L/R because it doesn't have a dedicated graphics card. I thought that was only needed for lots of gaming not photos. Maybe I'm wrong. Just curious to know what others use.

Rubbish! Macbook Air is fine for LR or CS etc!

If you were to go the Air, make sure you try to get the Matte screen - im not sure if its available on those models or not, maybe not, but the matte is a lot better for viewing and editing than the glossy/glass surfaces.

[HelenClaire]

Really? Had rung Apple and was told it couldn't. Thought it strange when I was told that the Air would be unsuitable. Maybe it was a ploy to get me to buy the Macbook Pro which is way out of my price range. Just goes to show it's better to stay away from Reps when seeking advice.

[J.davis]

I have used an ASUS netbook for this same reason - upgraded ram and loaded LR and Elements9 - happy camper (traveller)
Price for ASUS EEEPC about $400.

[Wazza999]

Have a look at the new ultrabooks (ASUS/Toshiba/HP/ACER) I think there's a 13" ASUS with an i5 processor 4GB RAM and 256GB SSD for <$1500 with Win7-64bit. My son has the i7 version @$1800. They are <1.5kg, 3mm at the front and 17mm at the rear. You can save $200-300 buying on the net (Aust stock). HN/JB etc seem to only have limited models. Best price was from a shop in Broadway Sydney.

[HelenClaire]

Thanx. Had been looking at the ultrabooks, hence my interest in the Air. Have heard the Asus Zenbook is very good so may have another look. What makes me so annoyed is that you are told so much rubbish when you go to stores for advice. I end up with a headache :devil1:

[mikew09]

I ahve always been a Dell user, always been happy with them and found them quite robust. Bought an update about 8 months ago for $900 (was 1100 but I always barter hard) at JB, i7, 4gb ram, 512 dedicated graphics card, 15" screen and screams with LR3. I have found Dells have pretty good screens to but when at home hook it up to my 24" Samsung with Matte screen. I have done a comparison between calibrated laptop screen again my calibrated Samsung and although the Samsung does reflect a closer "what you see is what you get" calibnation the Dell is not to far out to be of bother on the road - I just do a check on the big screen when I get home.

[swifty]

MBA's can easily run LR. Maybe the reps want you to buy Aperture instead.
So with 4Gb of RAM and SSDs, it can seem snappier than faster machines with higher clock speeds but HDDs.
Dedicated graphic cards get the most work out when gaming and 3D rendering applications. For 2D apps, the HDD's commonly the bottleneck.
If u can wait a month or so, intel's slated to release its 'Ivy Bridge' generation of processors which should coincide with Apple's updates although as with all rumours, no guarantees.

[agb]

Thanx. Had been looking at the ultrabooks, hence my interest in the Air. Have heard the Asus Zenbook is very good so may have another look. What makes me so annoyed is that you are told so much rubbish when you go to stores for advice. I end up with a headache :devil1:

This is what is said on the Lightroom optimise performance website about video card:

Video cards

Lightroom requires a video card that can run the monitor at its native resolution. Built-in, default cards that ship with most desktop or laptop systems typically suffice for Lightroom.

Be sure to keep the graphics driver software up to date. See Update the graphics driver | Windows XP (kb409115) and Update the graphics driver | Windows 7, Vista (kb409116). On Mac OS, click the Apple menu and choose Software Update.

[enVision]

I would actually recommend the laptop I am using at the moment. It is the ASUS U36JC.

Intel Core i5 2.67ghz, 4gb RAM, 500GB HDD.
Pretty sure it has a 1GB dedicated graphics card too.

I run CS5 and LR on this computer with nil issues. Only problem I have with this computer is that it does not have a disk drive. I have overcome this problem by spending about $50 on a USB disk drive which I have no problems with.

The computer is extremely thin when closed and is very light. Highly recommended, but that's just me cause I own one :)

[mikec]

Also an external hard drive for backup.

Keep the hard drive in a different bag to the note book! :cool:

Best advise so far.

[Patagonia]

I have a 2009 Macbook with shared graphics and slower processor than the new Air and it runs Ligthroom ok. Only with Nikon´s ViewNX it takes a couple of seconds when I start editing, but only for the first modification, a D90 RAW file (12 mb aprox)

The other good thing about the Macbook is that the screen is far better then the average notebook, don´t know why (think is a TN screen) but difference is really huge. I would recommend it.

[Art Vandelay]

Thanx. Had been looking at the ultrabooks, hence my interest in the Air. Have heard the Asus Zenbook is very good so may have another look. What makes me so annoyed is that you are told so much rubbish when you go to stores for advice. I end up with a headache :devil1:

I have one of the zen book models Wazza mentioned

13" 4gb ram & 266 SSD & 64 bit i7

Love it.

I got it through work a couple of months ago, mainly to use while travelling with work but find I use it for near everything.

It runs Lightroom & Photoshop no problems at all. Best way is to leave your files on the SSD until you've sorted & edited them. The SSD is very responsive & no lag at all in waiting for the effect of any sliders to kick in., once done transfer them over to a hard drive.

I've also edited files off a USB 3 drive (via the USB 3 port) and found it very good as well.

The 1600 pixel width screen is also a great feature in such a small laptop.
The downside, as with most laptops is the screen is a bit dead and lifeless. Not as bad as most, but not as good as a regular monitor.

It's fine for most situations, but for optimal editing plugging into an external monitor is advised. Easy to do as it comes with the mini HDMI adapter.

Over the last couple of years I've had one eye on a mac book air, but baulked at the whole changeover to be part of the mac world. (One particular piece of work software I use is not mac supported which also sways my decision). These zenbooks are pretty well a mac book air with regards to size, battery life, styling etc..... but in windows. :D

EDIT: have also been playing with HD movie files recently & have used it for basic editing & rendering final files. No problems.

[crazymorton]

Have a look at the new ultrabooks (ASUS/Toshiba/HP/ACER) I think there's a 13" ASUS with an i5 processor 4GB RAM and 256GB SSD for <$1500 with Win7-64bit. My son has the i7 version @$1800. They are <1.5kg, 3mm at the front and 17mm at the rear. You can save $200-300 buying on the net (Aust stock). HN/JB etc seem to only have limited models. Best price was from a shop in Broadway Sydney.

definately go an Ultra book, so light and plenty of power for your needs. however be aware of one thing, no DVD drive. so you'll have to know either how to create, mount, and run an ISO.

or if you have a home PC, network to it and share your main DVD drive to get your software installed.

[sunny6teen]

this is a bit off topic...but I'm using an HP Pavilion dv7. had it for a couple of years but the monitor has never needed calibrating. or rather, the calibration software didn't see the need to change anything - and I can't complain because I can see everything from pure black to pure white on a strip.

my question is...is this typical of laptop screens these days? or HP?
just wondering because they use to be so awful. in the past I've always plugged it into an external monitor.

[andrewvid]

the Macbook Pro which is way out of my price range

really? there's a macbook pro 13" with intel core i5 which is $1396 at jbhifi..
and yes a macbook air should have the capacity to run LR although might lag a bit depending on RAM memory..

[JM Tran]

this is a bit off topic...but I'm using an HP Pavilion dv7. had it for a couple of years but the monitor has never needed calibrating. or rather, the calibration software didn't see the need to change anything - and I can't complain because I can see everything from pure black to pure white on a strip.

my question is...is this typical of laptop screens these days? or HP?
just wondering because they use to be so awful. in the past I've always plugged it into an external monitor.


I dont think there is ever such a thing as a monitor that does not require calibration, all the way from a 5 grand Eizo or NEC professional monitor to a cheap monitor from MSY or a laptop monitor.

Its not just about what you see on the laptop monitor - which due to its size they are always cheap TN panel types - its how the photos print later which 'should' be as it seems on the monitor. Even though there are some higher end laptops which has an Adobe RGB colour gamut, it is still no substitute for a decent to good external monitor. Do you do a lot of printing for yourself or clients?

[Erin]

As someone who used a Mac Air to edit photos during a recent trip... DON'T. It works but it's slow as hell and chokes the system really badly. Takes forever to run actions, save PSDs, convert... basically anything you need to do in Pshop is 80 million times slower.

My advice would be to just simply be patient, stick your images on a harddrive and bring them home with you. Unless you're prepared to pay big $$ for a Macbook Pro with decent specs, it's not worth the annoyance.

[arthurking83]

Really? Had rung Apple and was told it couldn't. ....

LOL! with advice like that from anyone reputed to be authorised by Apple .. I'd steer clear of Apple :p

FWIW: JMT is right, you don't need dedicated graphics cards to run photo processing software ... it's probably better, as it takes some load off the CPU, but the 1-2% extra speed isn't worth the trouble.
Different matter if you are doing massive gigabyte image rendering work, or video .. ie. stuff that needs lots of time to render the screen content of large files AND do the number crunching at the same time.


I recently dumped my graphics card(desktop) due to a problem with my sister's PC.
Her motherboard didn't have any graphics ability at all, and mine has on board graphics .. but I still purchased a dedicated graphics card when I built it.
So my graphics card came out of my PC, went into sister's, to keep her going, and mine has been down specced from a 2G mid end nvidia card, down to a paltry on board AMD/Radeon low end specced device.
Can't remember the memory size of this on board chip, but I see no difference in performance at all!
That's running mainly Nikon's ViewNX2, CaptureNX2(massive large sized tiff file memory hogg!!) and some lightroom work.

No problem!

A few months back(just before Christmas I think) .. got the kids a $500 laptop from of all places The Good Guys!! :confused:

Asus quad core AMD with on board graphics!! :D .. 600G hard drive(slow but still acceptable) and 4G ram ... for a paltry $500!

Damned thing flies, and almost as fast as my desktop for small raw file jobs.
if hard drives were still so expensive, I'd get a faster one for it too. Otherwise the kids are happy and I can use ViewNX2 on it(haven't overloaded it with crud .. just the basics).

I reckon keep it as cheap as you can!!

As it's a portable computing device(irrespective of whether you go Mac or PC) there is a much higher probability that something will go wrong with it!
Keeping it cheap is less of a headache when this does happen(cracked screen, dead hdd, broken USB slot .. whatever the fault may be).
Only problem with this $500 Asus quad core AMD device is you'll be lucky to get 3 .. maybe 4, hours of life from a single battery charge!

[HelenClaire]

Hi All,
Wow thanks for all the feedback. After much deliberation I ended up with a Asus Zenbook UX31E-RY009V. 13 inch 1600x900 screen (better than the MBA) Intel core i5, 4GB and other specs I have no idea about :o Very happy, though am waiting for Adobe to verify my status for an educational discount. Once approved I am downloading Lightroom 4 which will keep me occupied with learning while on the plane. I have only ever used DPP that came with my Canon so am very much a beginner.

[Tommo224]

-edit- Oops I didn't see that there was another page to this, and that you had already bought one!! Haha..




Mac? If your budget is $1500, you can get the same spec PC Laptop for half of that price. Double whatever the Mac spec is for the same price as a Mac.

I shopped and considered a Mac at one point for a photo editing laptop. Decided against it, because the prices were ridiculous for what you got especially compared to the PC equivalent.


The laptop I have was retail $1200 (I paid $600 for it), I added an extra 4 gigs of RAM to it for $25. It was as simple as unscrewing the small rectangle cover on the back, plugging it in, and screwing it back on. 5 minute process, as they allowed you to replace the RAM and hard drive at ease. Good ol' PC stuff.

Get something with at least a 1gb dedicated graphics card, at least 4gb RAM (preferably upgradeable to 8), and an i5 or AMD processor. Your range is MASSIVE. I had the same budget, but was lucky enough to come across a "buy 1 get 1 free" laptop sale at Harvey Norman.

This is the one I bought, runs Lightroom 4 smoothly with no problems at all. I've been doing ALL my editing on it for the last 8 months +/-:
http://www.harveynorman.com.au/asus-a53ta-sx080v-laptop.html


Also note, Harvey Norman is generally priced higher than other stores. Dick Smith is a good place to shop, JB Hifi generally have decent prices you can bargain on.

Also, even check out the Dell website, they're constantly having sales and you can customise most products to your needs. Their support is incredible too!

[sunny6teen]

I dont think there is ever such a thing as a monitor that does not require calibration, all the way from a 5 grand Eizo or NEC professional monitor to a cheap monitor from MSY or a laptop monitor.

Its not just about what you see on the laptop monitor - which due to its size they are always cheap TN panel types - its how the photos print later which 'should' be as it seems on the monitor. Even though there are some higher end laptops which has an Adobe RGB colour gamut, it is still no substitute for a decent to good external monitor. Do you do a lot of printing for yourself or clients?

cheers JM. the important stuff gets printed with an enlarger but I've had some holiday snaps etc. done on computer. traditionally, I'll calibrate my external monitor every few weeks or prior to a big job... I don't use a printer at home (I have too many faded dye-sub images from the 90s :D). If I send anything to the lab, I just use their colour profile.

I just thought it was weird that my laptop screen isn't adjusted during calibration.